Seller's Description
Were looking to sell our beloved 1969 William Garden Ketch in Los Angeles, CA. Rosebud is a one of a kind, 65 cruising steel ketch, thought to be the prototype for Gardens Formosa 51 line. While she needs a good owner willing to put in some serious and extensive work into updating her systems, her bones are solid and she will make for an excellent and comfortable expedition cruiser. We are looking to sell her as-is, where-is. Many details listed below, but a lot more to discuss than I can write here as well as additional photos. Due to time and logistical constraints on our end, we only want to show the boat to people we know can put the time and effort into fixing her up, so message me with your questions first and we can start a conversation about her.
Asking $45,000 USD.
LOA: 65 LOD: 50 Beam: 15 3 Draft: 8 6 3 standing room throughout the interior of the vessel
Construction: 3/16 formed Corten Steel plate hull ⅛ Corten Steel deck and cabin Poured concrete ballast
Propulsion: Engine: 160HP Volvo Penta MD70A, runs beautifully Replaced water pump 2024 Did a coolant flush of the in-keel coolant system 2024
Tanks: Fuel: 365 gallons in 2 integral steel tanks Water: 265 gallons in 1 steel and 1 stainless steel tanks Black Water: 50 gallons in 1 styrene plastic tank Grey Water: 50 gallons in 1 integral steel tank Propane: 2x 14lb steel propane tanks
Equipment: Equipment: Whisper 6 6KW Generator - needs servicing Seaward Water heater- needs servicing or replacing Dometic Marine Air Conditioning Unit - 16k BTUs Racor Fuel Filters for engine and generator Tank Tender tank level reader- connected to all tanks FCI Aquamiser Plus Watermaker - 500 GPD capacity 4 stroke Tohatsu 9.8HP Outboard 2 Stroke Tohatsu 3.5HP outboard Defender Hypalon Dinghy 2x 110lb navy type bow anchors 1x 140lb CQR spare anchor Lewmar hydraulic dual-gypsy windlass- original to the boat, needs replacing Automatic Bilge Pumps- need servicing or replacing Electric Bilge Pump Freshwater Pump Grey Water Pump- needs replacing Standard Horizon VHF Icom IC-M504 VHF Airmar Transducer and Simard Depthsounder display Wind gauge and display Wood Freeman Autopilot - works but is very old and outdated, needs replacing Life raft Fire Extinguishers and Flares- too many items to list here LOTS of spare parts
Sail Inventory: Dacron main - old but usable Dacron mizzen - old but usable Staysail - old but usable Storm jib- old but usable 2x 110% Yankee headsails (hank on) - old but usable 1x 110% Yankee headsail (luff tape for furling) - old but usable NEW C430 Profurl roller furling kit for outer forestay- needs installation
Specs
- Designer
- William Garden
- Builders
- Ta Chiao
- Hudson Custom Boats/Cheoy Lee
- Association
- Force 50 & Formosa 51 Owners Group
- # Built
- ?
- Hull
- Monohull
- Keel
- Long
- Rudder
- ?
- Construction
- FG
Dimensions
- Length Overall
- 64′ 11″ / 19.8 m
- Length On Deck
- 50′ 11″ / 15.5 m
- Waterline Length
- 39′ 0″ / 11.9 m
- Beam
- 14′ 11″ / 4.6 m
- Draft
- 8′ 0″ / 2.4 m
- Displacement
- 52,000 lb / 23,587 kg
- Ballast
- 12,000 lb / 5,443 kg
Rig and Sails
- Type
- Ketch
- Reported Sail Area
- ?
- Total Sail Area
- ?
Mainsail
- Sail Area
- ?
- P
- ?
- E
- ?
- Air Draft
- 64′ 11″ / 19.8 m
Foresail
- Sail Area
- ?
- I
- ?
- J
- ?
- Forestay Length
- ?
Auxilary Power
- Make
- Ford Lehman
- Model
- ?
- HP
- 85
- Fuel Type
- ?
- Fuel Capacity
- 180 gal / 681 l
- Engine Hours
- ?
Accomodations
- Water Capacity
- 75 gal / 283 l
- Holding Tank Capacity
- ?
- Headroom
- 6′ 3″ / 1.9 m
- Cabins
- 3
Calculations
- Hull Speed
-
8.1 kn
Classic: 8.37 kn
Hull Speed
The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.
Formula
Classic hull speed formula:
Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL
A more accurate formula devised by Dave Gerr in The Propeller Handbook replaces the Speed/Length ratio constant of 1.34 with a calculation based on the Displacement/Length ratio.
Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio.311
Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL
- Sail Area/Displacement
- ?
Sail Area / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.
Formula
SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64)2/3
- SA: Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
- D: Displacement in pounds.
- Ballast/Displacement
-
23.1
<40: less stiff, less powerful
Ballast / Displacement Ratio
A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.
Formula
Ballast / Displacement * 100
- Displacement/Length
-
391.1
300-400: heavy
Displacement / Length Ratio
A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.
Formula
D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
- Comfort Ratio
-
49.9
40-50: heavy bluewater boat
Comfort Ratio
This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.
Formula
Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam1.33)
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
- LWL: Waterline length in feet
- LOA: Length overall in feet
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
- Capsize Screening
-
1.5
<2.0: better suited for ocean passages
Capsize Screening Formula
This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.
Formula
CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)
- Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet
- D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
Notes
From BlueWaterBoats.org:
The Hudson Force 50 is a full keeled pilothouse cutter ketch, from the drawing board of William Garden, a US and Canadian trained naval architect. Introduced in 1973, they were built in Taiwan at the rate of twelve to fifteen per year until 1984 when the boatyard burned down.
They are nearly identical to the Formosa 51, the molds for the Force 50 come from the same plug that formed the Formosa 51. It is said William Garden did kind of a “private label” deal with Formosa, and some believe the Force 50 is has more of a seaworthy classic flavor with subtle improvements. The Force 50 is known to have less room below decks primarily due to her lower freeboard.
This is a go anywhere sailboat with a touch of the traditional complete with a long bowsprit and on some boats, wooden spars. Teak abounds above and below decks.
As testament to the boats seaworthiness, owner Tom Allen recalls a single handed passage between Los Angeles to Monterey, “I lost my main sail rounding Point Lobos in 55 to 60 knots of winds. I was popping out of 25 foot seas with half the boat coming out of the swell and then slamming onto the bottom of the wave. It sounded like someone taking a sledgehammer and hitting the front half of the boat. When I arrived in Monterey I kissed the ground realizing that this is a very sturdy 30 year old boat that I would definitely trust my life in.”
Interior and Layout
Three staterooms, master is aft with head, two double guest cabins forward with shared head and step in shower. Pilothouse with inside helm station, and lower saloon with desk. L-shaped settee to starboard going forward to starboard is a double guest cabin and to port is the head and shower. Forward is an upper and lower to starboard, workbench and cupboards to port.
Buyers Notes
The condition of these boats vary widely, some have been well cared for while others have been neglected to “desperately needing a refit” status. Prices for these boats can seem cheap but be aware fixes on boats of this size can be considerable, three to five times more than an equivalent 30 foot boat is a good rule of thumb.
Have your surveyor check the boat thoroughly in the usual places, the hull on haulout, the numerous through-hull fittings, bulkheads, chainplates and rigging, engine, drivetrain, electrical systems, and particularly the metal fuel tanks. Water intrusion in the deck and pilothouse area is sometimes a problem. Also check over the base of the mast and booms on boats with wooden spars.
Links, References and Further Reading
» Owner’s online forum can be found at www.force50.org
Credits
Thanks goes to Tom Allen for co-writing, providing research and owner feedback to this article.
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